time,name,content
2021-12-24 12:00:53.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Oh.
2021-12-24 12:00:56.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,So.
2021-12-24 12:00:57.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Hello. Hi, honey."
2021-12-24 12:01:00.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hello.
2021-12-24 12:01:01.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"Hello. Alright, let me give you my yeah, one second."
2021-12-24 12:01:05.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hello.
2021-12-24 12:01:08.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:01:10.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Can you hear me?
2021-12-24 12:01:12.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yes, I can hear you."
2021-12-24 12:01:14.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Hello.
2021-12-24 12:01:17.4 PST,John Prabhakar,How are you?
2021-12-24 12:01:18.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Testing, testing, testing, 123."
2021-12-24 12:01:22.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, I can hear you, man."
2021-12-24 12:01:24.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, I can hear you now. Yeah, wait."
2021-12-24 12:01:26.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Oh, okay, must be a dead zone or something."
2021-12-24 12:01:30.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Getting ready for finally. For the a few weeks trying to have the twelve. We have one call the last two months like, but, but anyway this is just the big finale chapter eleven, I believe the last chapter of now the Ben, I never shoot."
2021-12-24 12:01:34.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Month.
2021-12-24 12:01:40.2 PST,John Prabhakar,I think so. I think so.
2021-12-24 12:01:46.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yup, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:01:52.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And last time we were having this discussion a little bit of confusion about so, just to summarize the book today. It's about this guy Connie, he's a, is top Russian airplane mechanic who found call. Probably strong word. We will call it a movement for synthesizing."
2021-12-24 12:02:23.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Asian religious beliefs.
2021-12-24 12:02:29.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Into the craft of being an airplane mechanic which becomes this a huge political football British and Dodge and Connie. No, it's a big pile of money from a sheet."
2021-12-24 12:02:49.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And told to the eyes of a man named Tom cutter and some from the big reveal at the end is that Tom is the book cause the sheep son took over. I wanted him and all the people who knew kind of, to write down what actually."
2021-12-24 12:03:10.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"No, that comes on lead a capital number."
2021-12-24 12:03:14.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Isn't that for one?
2021-12-24 12:03:16.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. Yeah, what do you, you'll giving somebody up there, what happened before? What do you get with somebody that the whole book? Yeah, okay, anyway, no, the discussion we had last week was what are these people or shipping work?"
2021-12-24 12:03:20.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, all that happened before. And what happened now? Yeah. Okay, anyway, pretty much. Okay, sure."
2021-12-24 12:03:35.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Are.
2021-12-24 12:03:37.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Working.
2021-12-24 12:03:40.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,It's not working for some reason. Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:03:43.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, but they were shipped work or they work as worship that was the discussion we had and you said that."
2021-12-24 12:03:49.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:03:51.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:03:57.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Jacqueline was, if I understood you correctly, probably the fact Lynn worship work and I disagree. But then, I thought about it. I think you started out as worshiping work."
2021-12-24 12:04:00.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Connie, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:04:18.6 PST,John Prabhakar,And then change it around. You work as worship. Like whatever you do in your life is actually serving god not making work as a I've got. Would you agree?
2021-12-24 12:04:40.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, so, I think he hopes that is true. The interesting question for me is what he do, I just have a question is what is Connie religious."
2021-12-24 12:04:58.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Why did we very gracious including of other people's religion Fridays whether it is, is London principal lack of a better term for get intricate girl who care for him. And they seem to go and crafted idles and offerings and things like that which you know even be considering the base form."
2021-12-24 12:05:23.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"But he said, hey, it's all a perfectly valid way worship and I'm just to make two, you know, maybe for you, but as long as it gives you a way to speak god to become a better version of yourself, then that's totally totally, that would, alright, so he's like, he can, he can pull, I'm fine with him and months and, and all this but it raises the question."
2021-12-24 12:05:55.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,What exactly does Connie worship?
2021-12-24 12:06:02.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, that's yeah, that's not a, that's not a clearly explain because he's not worshipping. A Hindu guard is not working and I'll and start what's your ping Buddha?"
2021-12-24 12:06:02.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,You still there?
2021-12-24 12:06:20.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"So, but, but, but basically he's movement, basically his movement is too becoming a better person as a person as well as the workforce or plan."
2021-12-24 12:06:20.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hi, and somebody go ahead and."
2021-12-24 12:06:25.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hello.
2021-12-24 12:06:38.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Because the piece of god.
2021-12-24 12:06:40.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,So this is the interesting idea then that I would. So given that really know what she's will.
2021-12-24 12:06:43.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:06:54.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"No, I think, I would say more like ministry in daily life."
2021-12-24 12:06:59.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, so let's go down. Okay, cause I think one of the reasons we got talk is that all the time do we get started is what I feel like I'm talking about some emotionally remote character and."
2021-12-24 12:07:18.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Sometimes to feel like I'm talking about you.
2021-12-24 12:07:23.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"No, I didn't tell you about you."
2021-12-24 12:07:26.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Me, okay, I was talking about."
2021-12-24 12:07:27.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, that's what I thought."
2021-12-24 12:07:34.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"No. Oh, I mean, no, no, not really. I think I was dispatched discussing on shack lemon Tom Carter. I don't think personalizing it anyway, but that's how you are receiving it."
2021-12-24 12:07:36.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,The chapter eight.
2021-12-24 12:07:46.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, cool, let me, let me make the case."
2021-12-24 12:07:51.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Why do you think what do you mean by ministry?
2021-12-24 12:07:57.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Cause I don't even make any sense.
2021-12-24 12:07:58.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"See, see, I'm not a, I'm not a pastor. Right? I am not a pastor, it's not my ministry. I'm not a, I'm not a worship leader, so, that's not my ministry. I'm not a profit, I'm not you know medical worker, bye my ministry. My ministry is to be a best surgeon that I could be."
2021-12-24 12:08:03.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:08:10.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Mm-hmm, right."
2021-12-24 12:08:16.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:08:19.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Uh-huh.
2021-12-24 12:08:23.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:08:24.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"My, my minutes it will be the best part that I could be best and I could be a best a husband they could be."
2021-12-24 12:08:33.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"That's my ministry. And in my particular case, I game strength to do that through my belief in Jesus Christ. But it's Connie, what Tony did was make them a better worker cause that's what he said, right? I want to do the best is Janell. That's all, he's more to us. True, they're just believes that this prayer fifteen times a day. Whether it is offering whatever."
2021-12-24 12:08:51.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:09:04.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"That's how I understood it that he's movement. So like I said, you cannot tell her to call because you know, he didn't ask anything of them didn't ask any money and ask them to give up things all you wanted them to better engineers but that caught all the card on with different groups."
2021-12-24 12:09:15.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hey.
2021-12-24 12:09:26.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hold on.
2021-12-24 12:09:30.6 PST,John Prabhakar,And basically even though they were getting those on both with this and most of them.
2021-12-24 12:09:31.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hey.
2021-12-24 12:09:36.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"They followed his teachings and that's the amazing thing everybody could, I doubt it to their own religious beliefs, but really that's what definitely place a part in this."
2021-12-24 12:09:43.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:09:51.6 PST,John Prabhakar,That's how I understood it.
2021-12-24 12:09:51.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, so, I, I'm good news and bad news, good news. With that definition. I will accept your point. What you're talking about is ministry and daily life. Okay, can see your point but then like, if that's the case then I think I object to the idea of ministry and daily life."
2021-12-24 12:09:56.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:10:01.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:10:06.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, okay."
2021-12-24 12:10:15.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, what is your definition?"
2021-12-24 12:10:17.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, no, I mean if you wanna use the, definitely that's fine but if that is the goal of ministry and daily life then I have some concerns about."
2021-12-24 12:10:21.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:10:28.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:10:29.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, the way our scribe and you know, I may have just heard you are going to be able to keep it open there. It sounded like you said you have a series of low and your goal is to do the best job you can in those role and that they send us Christ is a me to fulfilling those roles. I'm not sure what you meant to say. But that's what I heard."
2021-12-24 12:11:01.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Not me.
2021-12-24 12:11:03.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, is that's not what you meant to say? Okay, it's a motor basis. Maybe the motivation to do a good job and overall."
2021-12-24 12:11:04.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"That means there's some, that's the main motivation. Yeah, because, yeah, because you just said love your neighbor as yourself. This is, yeah, this is basically a one way of implementing this as a commitment to low one, another low your neighbors here, so."
2021-12-24 12:11:19.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:11:22.2 PST,John Prabhakar,So.
2021-12-24 12:11:22.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, so what?"
2021-12-24 12:11:25.8 PST,John Prabhakar,According to Connie settling this particular book. Bonnie didn't really deal with too many questions the only Christina dealt with probably it will be Tom Carter.
2021-12-24 12:11:26.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Sorry, go ahead and finish report."
2021-12-24 12:11:36.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:11:38.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"So, he never told him to be a better engineer because Tom Carter was talking to me in here."
2021-12-24 12:11:45.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"She started out as a mechanic. You just work this way. Yeah, you're right, you're right. I think we're."
2021-12-24 12:11:48.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"What kind of account, sir? Okay, yeah, yeah, that."
2021-12-24 12:11:53.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Both started out is basically the same engineer but basically Tony stayed with the craft and moved up into management and entrepreneurship but you know, but yeah."
2021-12-24 12:11:54.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:12:01.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, so if he, if he's supposed he had, this is where we're going to book but the boss he had."
2021-12-24 12:12:12.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Talk to Connie deeply to to Tom Carter. I would've said no, I want you to be the best. Yeah, what do you call it? A passenger aircraft company dot entrepreneur because, because he wants you to be the best person you are it is that's something you know, that's how you say you're logged in. Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:12:23.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,On front are for whatever.
2021-12-24 12:12:36.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"We maybe, maybe you can send that to me that he could have said that it's not clear to me that he would have right? Is that honey? Really Karen? Great deal about being an airplane mechanic and not care a whole lot about anything else."
2021-12-24 12:12:44.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:12:47.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:12:55.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:13:02.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"I mean, he, like, he wasn't really trying to like, sort of social move in. He wasn't trying to build out business like, what do you know? Like, it was, like, okay, if you want to go over, just fine, all I want is to train more airplane mechanic, right, and the only thing he asked for and all the locals that is, is power."
2021-12-24 12:13:03.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:13:07.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:13:17.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:13:23.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Well, I would add one more. Yeah, that's been kind of using."
2021-12-24 12:13:26.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:13:30.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, so here's the question. Right? This is, so, it is not clear to me."
2021-12-24 12:13:31.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Listen to guard using your religious belief.
2021-12-24 12:13:36.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Which is primary and which is secondary.
2021-12-24 12:13:45.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Certainly, we can believe it's one or the other but it's not clear to me that the text is definitive that it's one way or the other, right. It's clearly he was interested in a religion even before he started his movement thing, and he certainly thought as and certainly idea of the Boston to god, yeah, they settle positive thing and in some big abstract generalized way, concrete fully."
2021-12-24 12:14:04.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:14:22.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,It's a good thing to draw closer to god or divinity or whatever but it doesn't seem to have a break cause ideally what kind of god that it.
2021-12-24 12:14:33.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Right. And so helping people find meaning in their work. Happy people to find ruin we their purchasing belief system and the modern mechanized western world of work, those are clearly very important."
2021-12-24 12:14:34.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:14:56.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, I want to go back on this point cause I think it's a very sorry, important to me. And I think there's some areas where, if we can either find a way to agree or at least articulate where we disagree, I think this would be very helpful for me. Okay, so let me go back to my said before is that so the phrase that you were comfortable with was seeing a face."
2021-12-24 12:14:58.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:15:23.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:15:25.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, mm-hmm."
2021-12-24 12:15:32.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,I think motivation for doing good work.
2021-12-24 12:15:39.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, there's a couple of things that are interesting about that. Okay, what is that? I think you have a more expansive definition of good work didn't colony."
2021-12-24 12:15:39.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:15:42.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:15:44.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Oh.
2021-12-24 12:15:56.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Connie in both his teaching and his practice the 20th of May really seem to make it clear that the doing the work what's more important than having relationships.
2021-12-24 12:16:19.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"No, he come by the board, my boss."
2021-12-24 12:16:20.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Who did that for where he showed that he's relationship.
2021-12-24 12:16:27.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"At least as much as work cause I can give you a half dozen examples of the opposite. Well he's the lease, I don't want to give up relationships because of this work. I have to do every character in this book. Basically, the thing about it they're not happy about it but they all feel that they must sacrifice relationship for the sake of the work."
2021-12-24 12:16:31.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Deletion ship with home with god, yeah, no relationship with god he brought it up."
2021-12-24 12:16:43.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, mm-hmm."
2021-12-24 12:16:59.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That is the tragic nature of the story, they consistently and it's like, okay, well, if I have to choose between having a healthy relationship that makes me happy and doing the work, I will always choose the work cause that's the noble, heroic thing to do. Does that, when he goes to go back to that, does that, when she joins the conference and how does that when he doesn't, you know, Mary this girl?"
2021-12-24 12:17:00.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, I agree with you there. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you there. Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:17:18.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:17:22.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:17:25.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:17:28.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, I agree with you there. I agree with you there. But, but that is their personal life, but Connie's teaching was, you know, when you or doing the repair of the engine engine you pray you pray to god to give you her wisdom."
2021-12-24 12:17:28.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You know, okay."
2021-12-24 12:17:42.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Uh-huh.
2021-12-24 12:17:45.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So it's okay, so, so that's interesting points there. Okay, so."
2021-12-24 12:17:52.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Your email if you. The right word. But, I'm kinda religious. I think that's a fair work in Coney religion. Doing work. It's good, doing good work, is good doing this for god and perhaps even one relationship with god. Religion is a good thing. And it's an important thing is the thing to be honored and celebrated and pursue work with other people. Other than doing good work."
2021-12-24 12:17:56.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:17:59.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:18:15.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:18:20.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:18:24.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Did not seem to be a significant factor in his teaching.
2021-12-24 12:18:31.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, he was not done, interested in that. Yeah, it was, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:18:32.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, neither in his teaching more in his practice or his choices, did he really place any particular value on relationships with human being?"
2021-12-24 12:18:49.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah. Well."
2021-12-24 12:18:50.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hold on, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep talking if you want."
2021-12-24 12:18:55.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, can you hear me though?"
2021-12-24 12:18:56.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,I can hear you. Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:19:01.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, see."
2021-12-24 12:19:04.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Cause we don't, we don't, not too many things about what you discussed with the mom's. What you discussed with the and what is the police and things like that. We don't know that we're not privy to that. But let me because of that people's lives will change and there'll be heavier change I think you're right. So, he basically gave up a relationships in order to be."
2021-12-24 12:19:34.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, and I did like."
2021-12-24 12:19:37.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"A good engineer, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:19:40.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"To practice about that himself. UPS for Natalie. Good at being fully relationship with you will be in the mobile. Right. There was a sense of being with them, so, like you said it was yes, we did move people and sort of care about them, but the thing is that there's this weird disconnect between that."
2021-12-24 12:19:53.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:20:03.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:20:11.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Kind of emotional presence and any sort of.
2021-12-24 12:20:20.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Worthiness being attached to it, right? And in fact, you know, and, you know, this is a guy writing in the shadow of world war two. Where you know, I think a lot about using that to integration the greatest generation they call it who were you know, considered great providers and upstanding citizen but emotionally balls you know, and this whole and so."
2021-12-24 12:20:24.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, mm-hmm."
2021-12-24 12:20:29.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:20:35.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:20:41.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:20:43.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:20:48.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"There. So there's one, there's one pretty this is that, is that his religion really have a clear place of honor for human relations in the grand scheme of things. Alright. Okay, so that's why."
2021-12-24 12:21:07.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. Yeah, because that was not what he was after. Yeah, that was not what he was after here. Yeah. Yup."
2021-12-24 12:21:10.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That's the thing that was, that was, that was the LinkedIn did not. Alright, so, the question is, what, once he after what is the thing that he's worshipping? And you know it's funny. You remember my story about, you know, about how the world shifted from that'd be ruled by airy, the god of war, there'll be ruled by poodle. The god of money in depth."
2021-12-24 12:21:41.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And you know as I said you know I think kind of a fair because compared to what life was like before would work to we're Nathan sickly periodically at each other's growth or concrete or they're living in a world that by something like three trade. I don't want the booth is an, an equity it's like the way better deal to compete on the, in the marketplace but on the battlefield you know and so in that sense I am super static."
2021-12-24 12:21:41.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"No, that's probably true. I agree."
2021-12-24 12:22:07.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:22:10.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:22:16.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Two Connie's project of like, these people are facing the deep existential angst between the traditional religion and modern western society. If you can give them a way where they can find that, like, that is a."
2021-12-24 12:22:30.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:22:36.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"A generous act on his part, right, to try to give people a way to do that, okay. But the first one is that he pays a heavy price for doing that, right. And, and what's more thing is, is that so two does society, you know, I thought about this a lot you know, especially during the pandemic where you know the fact that the world are being so deep interconnected."
2021-12-24 12:22:42.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:22:52.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, definitely. Yeah, right."
2021-12-24 12:23:02.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:23:10.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Is one reason why this virus spread so quickly, you know, that's all these but I never had it, there's also this global flow of information and coordination that allowed us to come up with axes and drastically reduce the desktop compared to the slightest clue. Right there, you know. And so, you know there is norm is good. There are. There's also an interesting like one of the things I've been words I've been playing a lot with."
2021-12-24 12:23:15.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:23:31.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:23:42.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Is easy to label things sort of good or evil.
2021-12-24 12:23:47.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"To look at, no, it's all there."
2021-12-24 12:23:49.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Hello. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay."
2021-12-24 12:23:53.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You know in this meeting for him. But, you know just say well, okay, you know what isn't good is this log evil is working good and like you know it's helpful to be able to do that because it must be simplify and make decisions but it's also."
2021-12-24 12:23:57.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:24:11.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"We started labeling people or delete systems as one or the other because you end up doing things to defend one or the other that often end up for me. And so I've been playing with the sprays read instead. It's like, okay, this is a wonderful thing what there's something sad about it as well and something."
2021-12-24 12:24:29.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:24:43.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Read this and something that we're ready this identification like even though it's a, it's a noble generous app even though it's Chevrolet even though it is beneficial in so many way there's something tragic about it as well."
2021-12-24 12:25:04.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:25:05.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, this is my second preteen of tiny religion which is precisely that. It is a religion."
2021-12-24 12:25:11.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:25:17.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And this is something that I was actually just chat with somebody about this. I posted a, a blog article and it was on this issue. Oh, law versus gospel."
2021-12-24 12:25:36.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And the thing that maybe that's actually a good title, cause it's kind of, is that the."
2021-12-24 12:25:45.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And I actually was reading a phone I wrote a few years ago back when I was gonna grow and like I'm at one hand the law is wonderful if you're in a place of isolation, just bear with me just wondering while you need the log to bring sanity an order in clarity and identity in the midst of all this chaos and con. So, the law as an incredibly good thing, right? But the, you know, the ugly truth is that the law also bring desk."
2021-12-24 12:26:13.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:26:16.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:26:21.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And that is why I had to die because our patient could not come from the law and the.
2021-12-24 12:26:26.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:26:28.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:26:33.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"One of the tragedy that burdens my heart greatly cause I sometimes feel like, the Christian church has lost the ability to tell the difference between law and gospel, both are present and both are there. But it's like, there's a blind spot in our head where we fly from one to the other without realizing and we say, well, this is Christiana. It's like, what do you mean like, okay, you know and you know our politics?"
2021-12-24 12:26:40.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:26:55.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:27:02.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:27:08.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Is very toxic because of this? And even are you already, I think it gets toxic because of that in that. We and I think this is a deep rooted in response to a regional afraid we talked about before. Is that in times of crisis in times of a correct in times of when we feel a drift."
2021-12-24 12:27:09.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:27:12.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:27:41.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And confuse and conflict, we naturally reach for the law which is understandable response. And I guess sometimes it's a Daphne in the sense that like, if you don't do that, you got right to be able to make a quick decision about good and evil. Right and wrong and have the courage to ask instead of just being frozen under the weight of the possibilities of the contradiction and the costs."
2021-12-24 12:27:59.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:28:12.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Like in every superhero movie, the superhero like we lost."
2021-12-24 12:28:14.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:28:19.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"A spider-man movie last week and there's no spot, you're not really afford to say at the end does self, self sacrificial thing to you know, save the universe because that's whatever whoever does the end of every movie except it's anywhere where they could see. But anyway, but like this is what is your role does? And he pays the price but interesting leaving there like a wider man. He's always the guy who like does the right thing at the cost of relation."
2021-12-24 12:28:23.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:28:32.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:28:34.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:28:37.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:28:53.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,At the cost of people.
2021-12-24 12:28:54.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:28:55.5 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And it's like, okay, yeah, I know that is true. Okay, but there is, I think there that is worth doing but there's a, you know, there's a lot of tension between Spiderman and Dr. street. I'm like, okay, you know, it's one thing to say I'm going to pay the price for this but then other people have to pay the price to and is it, you know, do we have a time we, Derek take the risk to find a better way."
2021-12-24 12:28:56.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, mm-hmm."
2021-12-24 12:29:29.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And the thing that agreed with me, he's not that we sometimes have to report to more."
2021-12-24 12:29:42.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"But that we, I guess maybe forward is we failed to read that to say, yeah, you had to do this and it wasn't necessary and it was the best we could do with that time. It's still you know, had some proof of concept Wednesday and we need to read that and then my definition that I got from my friend Dan is definitely gonna brain is the ability to do better than that."
2021-12-24 12:30:10.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:30:15.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Because if we get stuck in the cycle of law enforce decision so that's the big deal for you. We have repeating the old set and the questions. Okay, well next time how do I green and see all that moving part that you're the part that I needed to help me do this hard thing so that we can do better."
2021-12-24 12:30:25.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:30:33.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:30:42.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And what's the reason I do a little mini fixing me about what do you know Tom cutter has Matt a pre, would also had a tragic failed marriage and was able to speak for the piece and ceiling and redemption the top cutter."
2021-12-24 12:30:43.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:31:03.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You know and I, you know, I can't imagine maybe I will, I don't know 2:00 in the morning tomorrow. I'll write it down but like, I don't know like given the whole the tiny and then the dogs for themselves, I can't see any redemptive out, I think. Cause it feels like they, they're in the just for a little behind between the good the Hollywood doing this is Jim and the no horrible relational personal call that they paid the same."
2021-12-24 12:31:04.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:31:43.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:31:44.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"What even they aren't sure whether or not it's a lot, right."
2021-12-24 12:31:52.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:31:53.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,You know and.
2021-12-24 12:31:56.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,See.
2021-12-24 12:32:00.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And you know, let's just talk about the open like using a doctor with a wonderful thing. You're coming to America giving us all these opportunities building this house. I was just reminiscing about you know, the late seventies, early eighties, whatever it was, we bought a house and we got a video game and biker wait it's like, yes, we finally arrive. We received the American dream after you know, a decade or more of you know, not being sure if it was going to work right, there was a Norman suffering a sacrifice incredibly hard with you all. The second part that you had to make, you know, in order to create this life for us."
2021-12-24 12:32:31.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Mm-hmm, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:32:38.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:32:39.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And I'm incredibly grateful for that and, you know, delighted all the people who help but there was also a price we pay."
2021-12-24 12:32:47.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You know and one of the things that I wonder about, what do you had a chance agree the price that you paid for?"
2021-12-24 12:32:47.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Of course, of course. No, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:33:04.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"I'm not focusing on that at all, I'm always grateful."
2021-12-24 12:33:05.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"I know you're not my father but the thing is, the thing that is curious to me and I will just take this as an observation without evalu judge."
2021-12-24 12:33:09.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:33:17.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"You said most of the misunderstandings and conflicts, and the time I felt not seen by you has been around issues related to your career."
2021-12-24 12:33:18.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:33:36.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,And that's just an observation.
2021-12-24 12:33:43.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:33:43.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And you know, one of the reasons we started this project was to work on our relationship, right? To help us talk better and give us a focus and it is, it is interesting to me and I don't know if it will feed into the next week to that the times where I feel like you can't hear what I say or perhaps what I react strongly to what you're saying is one I feel like your identity as a doctor."
2021-12-24 12:33:52.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:33:59.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:34:06.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:34:14.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Flick with your identity as a father.
2021-12-24 12:34:20.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"I don't know about that, I don't know about that. I stopped being a doctor so long ago but you're still having issues on personal. Is there any?"
2021-12-24 12:34:28.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, so this is the question who this is intro this in this thing for me that is at the heart of the gospel that I haven't read difficulty explaining anybody. I even to myself and like if we can figure out a story that would let us before this that would be for Mary. I don't know where to find what is that."
2021-12-24 12:34:31.0 PST,John Prabhakar,There's nothing to do with me being a doctor. Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:34:45.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:34:49.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:34:59.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"All that it is no longer, I who live Christ went in and you know you are Greek you know play or, or free male or female and that I become to those under the law as those under the law and those outside the law when I find the right is it the word in French with him? Excuse identity as fair as you do."
2021-12-24 12:35:05.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:35:07.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:35:14.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:35:32.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"At the church. These were saying that when they've gotten the way of the gospel, understood that this was something that had to die so that Christ to live more full weekend."
2021-12-24 12:35:54.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And the thing that I will we even the depth of my view is that you love and you want that for me. You want to help me. Once you be there for me, you want to show me as Christ."
2021-12-24 12:36:03.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:36:10.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:36:15.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, you want me to grow in my ability to do that."
2021-12-24 12:36:21.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And there are things that I bumped into with interest asking with you that I see as you know, this is not the person I think my father wants to be. This is not how he relates how he wants to release."
2021-12-24 12:36:21.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:36:39.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And I don't wanna say, I mean, you can see a personality but that just doesn't really, that's a whole nother podcast series. I have called blossom that will personality really is just the role we like to you. They're not necessarily our core identity. In fact, I can read the."
2021-12-24 12:36:57.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:36:59.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Listening to this amazing paper. This is you know, most people think this is a well research peer review, like all your paper, most people think that you know, your core personality traits like whether you're an expert for her, you know, are you are sent excel and then if you ask differently than that you're going to field in Austin but they did this rigorous series of control problems said no actually both objectively and objectively how we measure it everyone believe that's the case but in practice, when they are actually more open and accepting, and happy engage they all think that they're being authentic. True sell. Hi."
2021-12-24 12:37:13.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:37:17.2 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:37:20.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:37:43.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"To what they predicted and then the what people are being, the truth is I see when they're most open and caring and compassionate and then Pasic virtues that you don't call me, actually demonstrate, you know, that actually, I mean, this is the idea that are true so, if and when we feel, like it's actually what we're most like Craig."
2021-12-24 12:38:08.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And that will be called personality is arguably the coping skills we do, we are in context, we don't feel safe or that we can be, we can be that, so."
2021-12-24 12:38:26.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Does that make sense?
2021-12-24 12:38:29.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, I see the problem any you're right when we are like crisis the best thing, but being human we are not always like that. And we've got the again going back to the fact that we're doing this, the fact we're spending time spent even talking about these things go that."
2021-12-24 12:38:41.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,We'll move forward.
2021-12-24 12:38:47.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:38:58.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"I'm not. I think, like the doctor, like you said."
2021-12-24 12:39:04.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Oh, if possible I'll never meet all your expectations will never happen."
2021-12-24 12:39:07.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hi.
2021-12-24 12:39:13.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Because I'm human. So I have my weaknesses so I cannot be the perfect father you may want me to be. But the important thing is I'm trying right now. The, some of the things that we're talking about is sometimes you repeat what you heard or to talk to her or things like that. Those are all things I have learned. Not perfectly but I still do a miss them, Mr. mark."
2021-12-24 12:39:45.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"But you know, we're putting away from the book but."
2021-12-24 12:39:50.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hi.
2021-12-24 12:39:51.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"I think I agree with you that I cannot say you didn't feel that way because you felt that I didn't see you, I didn't hear you maybe even I was not there for you because that was the doctor, that's what you mentioned, right? Did he say that?"
2021-12-24 12:40:06.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Hello.
2021-12-24 12:40:09.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Because you are a doctor by the way that so, right finish and that'll clarify what I actually."
2021-12-24 12:40:10.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, because I was creating a practice, I was building a practice and I was doing things, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:40:25.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So yeah, can I, are you finished?"
2021-12-24 12:40:26.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Hello.
2021-12-24 12:40:31.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, I'm finished. Yeah, so go ahead."
2021-12-24 12:40:32.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, so, couple of things there that I think this is really important cause I'm not good at communicating this and I need to learn how to explain this to. I don't expect you to be perfect."
2021-12-24 12:40:36.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:40:42.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:40:45.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, I do not expect you to be okay, that's the first, okay, secondly, but then you know, I really believe this that I need this and I need to figure out how to fix the way that people can hear secondly is that I don't need you to okay, I love and accept you as you are, okay, that's the second spell the first, okay, what's the well so."
2021-12-24 12:40:48.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, alright. No, okay, yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:41:15.4 PST,John Prabhakar,But I thought you wanted me to change.
2021-12-24 12:41:20.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, so here's the thing, right, and this is the thing, I'm having a hard time articulate. Why don't need you to change what I want you for your thing and my to become more like crazy."
2021-12-24 12:41:20.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"You wanted me to see, you wanted me to hear you."
2021-12-24 12:41:39.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, and so, and this is a hard tension to hold and to express because if I press it too much, one way, it sounds like I'm saying, well, doesn't really matter, where's the other way? It's like, well do I really need you to do this and like both of those?"
2021-12-24 12:41:40.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:42:02.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Accurate and then can we thought this thing's been confusing, this is why it's really hard for me to work across them and in fact, this is, I think one of the weaknesses of are you all a G. is that we, you know, we've got the pages written for the best factor so this is what the critical aspect of the gospel and we don't really have good language for talking to."
2021-12-24 12:42:30.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,So with me.
2021-12-24 12:42:33.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, but on the one hand, you'll say, you don't need for me to change but what do you want me to change? Is that what you said for your second mistake? Yeah, but what can you tell me what you sent me?"
2021-12-24 12:42:42.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, is that hopefully you're thinking like, I was, like do."
2021-12-24 12:42:50.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, this is not a word except is this like I said, this is really hard for me to work with them, look language. Right? Is that what you mean?"
2021-12-24 12:43:04.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:43:06.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That's where it gets. Like, it's like, yeah, I do it. There's one phone Robbie suggested. It says don loves me as I am, just as I am today but far far too much to let me stay that."
2021-12-24 12:43:25.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, that's definitely true. I will god, yeah, definitely. Yeah, he, yeah, that's exactly the way you should do it. That's it, that's what you should do it. Yes, I mean that's, that's yeah, and then we go together."
2021-12-24 12:43:26.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And that's the way that I wants to accept. You bought it, right?"
2021-12-24 12:43:33.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:43:38.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, so that's what I said, right."
2021-12-24 12:43:41.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"Communicating better communicate better conflict resolution, better and other things. But that's the way it should be. You don't put it as a condition for me to change before we do those things."
2021-12-24 12:43:48.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:43:53.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Great, well, I."
2021-12-24 12:43:56.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, that's the basically, honestly, right. That's the basically, obviously."
2021-12-24 12:43:58.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, but, but, but, but I think the, this is the point that is."
2021-12-24 12:44:06.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay. What'd do some points. It's hard to articulate, but I wanna try. Alright, we can that there are certain things we can't do until you wrote in those areas, right? So, there are certain things I can send to you because I don't think you're able to hear them, or I don't feel safe enough to share them. And so that's why like we're having these indirect conversations around books cause like, okay, yeah, desire for relationship is there we want to embrace and build out what we have, what we're offering all the things that there are certain things that know the list as we can to got to face until we have faces."
2021-12-24 12:44:32.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:44:41.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:44:44.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:44:51.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, it's one thing to say yes, of course. I want a relationship with you about your relationship I have with you, I celebrate the relationship, we have an extraordinary relationship my father, I am so grateful that. Okay, but, there's so much more that it could be. So, I believe that you want and I would love for us to get there."
2021-12-24 12:45:01.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:45:15.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, so, are you with me? You feel like you're hearing me? Okay? You believe all that. Okay, so here's the thing that I have."
2021-12-24 12:45:16.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:45:22.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:45:27.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, and I'm not sure what to do about this but it's something that if we could talk about it then I think that we would have if we think it's hard to even talk about these because there's all these big trigger to them here. Well, I'm gonna try and is that."
2021-12-24 12:45:48.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:45:53.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,The times where I have though.
2021-12-24 12:45:57.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,That you we're not there for me.
2021-12-24 12:46:05.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Was that because you were practicing as a doctor? It's because I felt like your identity as a doctor got mixed up with your identity as a father.
2021-12-24 12:46:07.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:46:23.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And the two K. because I think you had to spend so many decades of your life leaning into that medical identity just to survive and in your career and provide for us as a family and so, I don't want to this, that identity or that role you took off because it was so incredibly valuable, so incredibly necessary. So, incredibly important. Okay. But if you, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:46:49.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"See, go ahead and finish what you're saying."
2021-12-24 12:46:50.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"But, but at the same time that identify the is something that and I don't understand why or how but I could point you to several episode during this book series where I feel like this happens where like something triggers your middle and you know, then like I feel like I'm, you're not hearing what I said you're disagreeing with me. You're arguing to get something I never said like this happened to me many times like three or four times during the course of this look series and oddly enough it was always around your professional identity."
2021-12-24 12:47:07.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:47:10.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:47:27.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That I had these kinds of conflicts and experience those. So, so, so, so sorry to bother so far. We have this all on paid. What exactly are you disagreeing with? And are these matters a fact that information?"
2021-12-24 12:47:32.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"I don't think so. I don't, I mean, if you felt that way there's no way I can say you didn't fill it that way. Yeah, so, yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:47:43.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:47:46.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"My identity as a doctor. As you're saying all of this because of the doctor. No you said certain things that I don't agree with, two things I don't wanna deal with. Oh, can you finish? And then I'll tell you we have to pull the twelve minutes."
2021-12-24 12:47:51.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, let me be more precise. Good."
2021-12-24 12:47:57.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,So.
2021-12-24 12:48:00.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So this will be this is good for minutes. Yeah, that's the day I got so 1:00 with a different group. So this will be interesting thing so what so there's two different ways you could do this is, this is exactly where it happens."
2021-12-24 12:48:09.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:48:15.3 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"If you said, well I disagree, it's like, what exactly are you agreeing with because I made several statements and are you just saying you don't like them? Are you saying that one of the statements I may have had a factual error or a different opinion?"
2021-12-24 12:48:23.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:48:32.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,So which statement are you disagreeing with?
2021-12-24 12:48:33.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, if the, if you, okay, I if you felt that way there's no way I can say is wrong I mean, that's how you felt but I think there was a wrong pushing you went to that when I was not there for you. Let me finish. You said when the times that you felt that I was not there for you it was because of my identity as a medical professional came in to be."
2021-12-24 12:48:42.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:48:45.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Sorry for flooding.
2021-12-24 12:48:49.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:49:02.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"And that was a conflict I have. That's why I was not there for you that you felt, felt that I was not there, that correct, to say that."
2021-12-24 12:49:05.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2021-12-24 12:49:08.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, so, let, let me break that down to San Jose. Okay. There were several incidents over the course of these recorded podcast."
2021-12-24 12:49:14.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:49:20.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, I would make a statement and you would say, you know, I would say I disagree just like you did five minutes ago. Okay? And in those moments."
2021-12-24 12:49:20.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:49:23.8 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:49:28.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:49:34.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,It was not at all clear to me what you were disagreeing with.
2021-12-24 12:49:34.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:49:39.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2021-12-24 12:49:41.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And it really felt, like, just like it did now that it was very important for you to disagree and it was not as all important for you to understand whether you even heard me correctly."
2021-12-24 12:49:42.4 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:50:03.4 PST,John Prabhakar,"That's why we repeat things, that's why I'm repeating the things that, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:50:03.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yes, hi this."
2021-12-24 12:50:06.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Is over and over again and it hasn't got any better. Okay, so first this is something I'm talking about. This is what I mean where I feel not heard or that you're not there for me. Is that I say something a new nearly react with the, I just agree. Okay, so that's the that's the type of."
2021-12-24 12:50:23.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, because I did explain that to you or any screen that you for this particular thing. I have to disagree with you. Right. How can I help you with that? And you said Wendy felt you said my personality up. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:50:25.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"This, yeah, what?"
2021-12-24 12:50:32.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,So here's the thing that.
2021-12-24 12:50:35.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,I bother.
2021-12-24 12:50:38.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Sounds good. What, whatever I said, let me, let me be, let me stay the same. So, this is the."
2021-12-24 12:50:51.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,This is the thing.
2021-12-24 12:50:55.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,That let me give you my calendar example.
2021-12-24 12:50:59.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, it is one I said I think we have the conversation. I said something about a religion or, or Connie or whatever he goes. Well, I don't know, I don't, I don't see that I don't think that makes sense and, and, and we have this discussion where you'll give them say like, I'm not sure if I'm hearing you correctly but it sounds like you're saying that."
2021-12-24 12:51:04.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:51:26.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Right, and let me call back for lack of a better term a gracious response."
2021-12-24 12:51:32.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,To perceive con.
2021-12-24 12:51:36.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"To say, well, what's going on here? I'm not sure if I heard you right as opposed to."
2021-12-24 12:51:44.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"And I don't wanna make it work disagreeable response. Let's go with that for lack of a better, right."
2021-12-24 12:51:47.2 PST,John Prabhakar,I don't want do it with you. I just agree.
2021-12-24 12:51:54.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"It is that there's a, they did, there is by the way, I do this too. I feel the need to speak out my position and say, wait, I don't agree with that, right. But what I do that it is, I mean, another, we might be defensive, it is like, we have to defend my business? Like, I been roughly what this question quite a lot. The last few months when I'm talking to people about the vaccine or politics whatever. It's like, someone says something. It's like, oh, I just can't let the conversation sit there. Was this person thinks that I might be agreeing with them. I have to say something."
2021-12-24 12:51:55.0 PST,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:52:28.6 PST,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2021-12-24 12:52:36.7 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Why do I have to do that? Why can't I just sit there and let them get it off their chest and then try to explore what's going on with them, so I can help them. And the answer I have come to is that, well, I feel it, sometimes I do which is interesting is that somehow there was a combination of how secure I feel good about myself and how secure. I feel about the relationship that if I feel very safe with the other person and very secure with, within my cell."
2021-12-24 12:53:18.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Then I find it easy to act graciously.
2021-12-24 12:53:23.6 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well when I don't then I find it very tempting and easy to react. Decent brother. Then graciously, does that make any sense to you?"
2021-12-24 12:53:38.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"I agree with what you said, that's how you feel and what your status. Right? But when you say something about why I did this that I did and I have to explain to you that's not, that may not be correct. How do I do that? I can give me an example here."
2021-12-24 12:53:56.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, I, I'm open to the possibility. Sure, we have if you do it in two minutes, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:54:02.2 PST,John Prabhakar,"We can import the. Yeah, you said that when you felt that I was there for you it was because I was, my, my medical thing came in there. I wanted to provide for the family, I wanted to build up a black cause I wanted to do these things that's totally not correct. It may have been part of that but I really was doing what I was doing was helping people learning how to treat the diseases out to your conditions and I was involved in that not hey, yeah, well I just same time trying to be trying to be a good partner a husband and go the search member go the follower of Christ."
2021-12-24 12:54:34.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Okay.
2021-12-24 12:54:36.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Father.
2021-12-24 12:54:39.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That is not at all, but it's not what I meant to say."
2021-12-24 12:54:50.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"It was all there, was just by practice was not my religion."
2021-12-24 12:54:57.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, I was not saying that and it didn't occur to me that might come through until you just send yourself."
2021-12-24 12:55:06.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Because the funny thing was, I was not in any way of talking about that bother not at all. What I was trying to say. And the fact that you brought it up and drag all that in there wasn't totally not mind doing."
2021-12-24 12:55:16.6 PST,John Prabhakar,We.
2021-12-24 12:55:22.6 PST,John Prabhakar,"No, I understand that. I think we don't have time for this but we completely missed the chapter to be able to do it all over again because we went off on a tangent. But I think I'm going to listen to this and right down of the things that you said and then I'll reply to you."
2021-12-24 12:55:28.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,The.
2021-12-24 12:55:30.8 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,Let me just.
2021-12-24 12:55:38.0 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"That would be amazing. Thank you, father, I will send you the link. Once I post this, I mean, we can do a sort of an apple log and if there's anything on the chapter that you want to come in, we can do that too. Alright."
2021-12-24 12:55:41.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, so, yeah, yeah."
2021-12-24 12:55:49.0 PST,John Prabhakar,"No, I think we, yeah, I think we should do the chapter but we didn't touch the chapter at all so we should do it again. Yeah."
2021-12-24 12:55:54.2 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, that'd be fun."
2021-12-24 12:55:56.8 PST,John Prabhakar,"Okay, let me my clinic can you, can I call you when they finish here? It was couple of questions for you. Okay, bye-bye."
2021-12-24 12:56:01.4 PST,Ernest Prabhakar,"Sure, just real quick. Bye."