time,name,content
2023-06-02 09:01:23.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hello, my father."
2023-06-02 09:01:24.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Hi, Amy, how are you man?"
2023-06-02 09:01:27.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Good, we finally minute little trouble pulling the last few weeks seems like."
2023-06-02 09:01:35.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yup. Oh, it's what 9:00 there, so you're just starting your work."
2023-06-02 09:01:44.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"It's been, I've been sending a meeting with the engineers. So I've been doing all sorts of things."
2023-06-02 09:01:51.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Engineers show stuff no, they're not."
2023-06-02 09:01:54.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, our rush arrested engineers don't wanna go live in Russia. Are scattered across. Yeah, yeah, I think right now, it's currently, it's the Netherlands, Greece and Georgia."
2023-06-02 09:01:58.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, didn't work here so, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:02:09.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Okay, so most of them are the European time."
2023-06-02 09:02:13.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, so it's evening for them basically."
2023-06-02 09:02:17.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yup. Yeah which is yeah, so, okay, it should be go onto."
2023-06-02 09:02:18.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Part of our day here at the end of there.
2023-06-02 09:02:26.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Title. Yeah, so this was interesting. I was thinking that for chapter one, I thought I talked to one about going up with his dad. And then after that it'll mostly be about his business stuff but that is a major player and perhaps even the defining feature of his life at least in this, I mean, to be fair, I think well I'm sure now has the pieces."
2023-06-02 09:02:27.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:02:52.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"That Rockefeller's. You know, family upbringing is key to understanding who he was and it doesn't business. I think he says that in here production it's a lot of people talk about Rockefeller. They do a business black roofing just starting with his business. And they talked about that and."
2023-06-02 09:03:05.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2023-06-02 09:03:12.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:03:14.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Heater, they ignore up renewing or they pump on that and use that as a kind of a club to 22222 PM you use it to kind of embarrassed Sam or whatever like that lady kind of big Rockefeller crusader who I got to go with the one time your store in him lose the temper when she talked about his father. So, it's totally a caviar that well, I'm sure now has a point of view on this matter."
2023-06-02 09:03:20.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yes, yes, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:03:32.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:03:39.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:03:50.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2023-06-02 09:03:50.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And he is definitely like, you know, the we're just have to, I guess the Florida lost track of the numbering but the, this is about where he, we the last up so, he just launched his own law for his own a partnership and then, and this one."
2023-06-02 09:04:08.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, at that time but it was still just buying and selling or something. That it's not into it yet or have you got an oil?"
2023-06-02 09:04:16.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah. No. Yeah, no, no. It seems that at the end of that, so just to give a quick summary of the chapter, if he starts up watching his own firm which is basically commodities, you know, buying and selling a river and Cleveland, and it goes through, he did, you guys are doing it, they're bringing a third partner and they drop Rockefeller's name from the business to, to make it seem more prestigious and chapter ends with them, with him, kicking that guy out and taking it over and then a teaser about oil, and then the middle of this little thing called the American civil war that happened."
2023-06-02 09:04:26.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:04:42.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:04:46.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:04:54.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:04:54.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And even there, you know, and so and this is dual class again about a part of the war is about the prophecy made from it because you know, the very early no attorney industrial complex to Madison celery to the industrialization and arguably created the overbuilding a railroad truck with later use."
2023-06-02 09:05:23.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"So, that's one narrative there. And then the secondary to disseminate about how he possibly for what reason you know the first becoming a soldier and his under age brother does become a soldier. We can come intention and even they're like behind all of that, the father and his dynamic. It's a big deal like he is caring for Sammy because it's father is not and that's one of the reasons he's given for a different he's given it to her."
2023-06-02 09:05:23.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:05:29.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:05:40.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:05:55.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, he becomes a becomes adult pretty quickly as the amount of the house. Yeah, hold on."
2023-06-02 09:05:56.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,From being in the civil war.
2023-06-02 09:06:03.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hey, I just, let me pull up the summary cause it's interesting like, and, and this is an interesting thing that keeps cropping up. Is this father is doing what is clearly a bad thing would be bigger, he's married someone else and get oddly enough that we see is rocking somewhere bye bye saddling him with the responsibility of having to care for the family to get the deferral. And doesn't get shot and killed the whole war, and instead makes a huge pile of money from it. And you know, this paradox needs to permeate at least the early chapters of the book cause the other dimension is about raising capital because he is a moment business opportunity and it's like, oh, it was, he hates borrowing but it was very good at, right? And he was very carefully manipulate a public opinion and, and."
2023-06-02 09:06:15.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yup, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:06:32.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:06:57.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Even though it was very sincere crate on his reputation as a church man. To you know borrow money but then the dynamic of Barbara father but it's not a borrow money from him and, and even says that his father deliberately a mess with him in the modern terminology. Precisely to teach him to be sort of cautious and careful around money. And I guess I think what was that the buyer says that you know if you would often talk about how he learned so much about money. But then he was in sort of rare got his moment confessed so angry he wasn't being manipulated like that by a father."
2023-06-02 09:07:12.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:07:24.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Alright.
2023-06-02 09:07:27.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:07:44.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:07:45.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,You know where he and so that is kind of the.
2023-06-02 09:07:53.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"A summary of the stuff I saw in that chapter where he's and the last mentioned this is, I was thinking about this is John key things we posted about Father's Day. Their monthly newsletter instead said, yeah, and you know, he's gonna try to say what my kids have given me and what I think it might have had. But then he started asking what's your, what's your like your father god on Father's Day and his answer was that probably, we probably wants to just our presence."
2023-06-02 09:07:56.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2023-06-02 09:08:20.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2023-06-02 09:08:25.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright, just to especially parents get older. I know that's a very important thing I thought about that like is that on the one hand, like yeah god doesn't want me to come in with him and spend time with him but that's not all there is to it."
2023-06-02 09:08:36.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, like they did with Adam and he oh, like you did with Adam and he everyday he walked with them. Yeah."
2023-06-02 09:08:40.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"But, but, but this is all the questions, I'll just kind of a weird point, but like, they've all got one that was supposed to be with them. We could've just stay there, we just didn't go to happen, right? And there's certain sexual Christianity that, that's kind of as far as."
2023-06-02 09:08:56.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Well, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's interesting because this is going to be with them all the time. Yeah, mm-hmm no, yeah, yeah, what do you think? Yeah, what do you think?"
2023-06-02 09:09:02.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hi so, I was like, well so maybe what he wants, yeah, so, so, so, so let me just answer my question and yeah, and then we can go so what occurred to me was that my problem only one is for us to be our own people who carry a piece of him, with us into the world. Alright the idea that it's not just about or, or maybe it might just be with gotten some sort of a Asian Mr. system, eastern mysticism thing of just like a drop of water returning to the ocean."
2023-06-02 09:09:39.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,He wants us to be with him as distinct individual who can walk him.
2023-06-02 09:09:45.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And the, we have to leave and become distinct so that we can love him."
2023-06-02 09:09:45.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:09:54.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And, but that's what he wants, like, for the way that we honor him is to not forget him but to remember him to be, I mean, especially I think about the horn terms of price. I haven't worked from god the father. That's really interesting. Like, our kids, like, we want especially my son I, it's more complicated with daughters, I haven't even started to figure that one out yet but for my son, like, I want them to be as old man and then do his own thing. But I want him to take a part of me. Ideally, the best part of me. Yes, ma'am. So, that he's in Harrison two heritage. Patrimony literally, yeah, but he takes with them like, that's what I really want for Father's Day. For him he'll go out and come back and that I see, you know, that he is taking the best part of me out into the world and that is benefiting him in some way."
2023-06-02 09:10:50.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And I think that, that's kind of what I think Sunday mornings ought to be. Yeah, why don't we go out to the world and we come back to this, alright."
2023-06-02 09:10:51.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"That, that's the question, that makes the question. How about you, how about you want to have part of your father, who's going to take with you?"
2023-06-02 09:11:05.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"That is very well, no, we might get there, I wasn't gonna go there yet. We probably will get there but it wasn't like, well, I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, yeah, that's exactly the awkward question that we're seeing in this chapter right? Is that the patrimony. The John D. Rockefeller has from his father, is clearly hey, Tom, at some very traumatic relationship with his father and his family and the family and all that dynamic."
2023-06-02 09:11:09.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2023-06-02 09:11:16.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:11:21.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Huh huh?
2023-06-02 09:11:27.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:11:40.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,And yes it is also very clearly a key part of his business success and you know.
2023-06-02 09:11:47.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"You think that the, what you were saying that because he was a little bit more rootless."
2023-06-02 09:11:53.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Sorry, what's."
2023-06-02 09:11:56.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, I mean, just like in this like the thing that his contemporary like his admirer talks about them it's out here. So obsessive about money and focused on money, right, and they get the example of how and, and very thoughtful about money, right. And, and like hello. Yeah, and so he is thank you cleaning everybody on the."
2023-06-02 09:12:00.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Oh.
2023-06-02 09:12:18.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. Oh, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:12:29.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Raleigh.
2023-06-02 09:12:29.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Wall probably. Yeah, but that like he said, he like if he need to borrow $5,000 to start a rumor that he's going to invest $10,000 to like make it just like the idea that he's like, he is."
2023-06-02 09:12:51.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"So and he talked about how you know his dad would borrow, would, would borrow money from him or, or would load him money and then call it back at, at awkward moment just to make him trash around and then give it back to him again later. Right? He's playing all these games with money and you know if nothing else welcome from the money is really important and we're spending time thinking about we're perversely or conversely for example, I didn't, not particularly learn that lesson from you like, I went from the lesson like, okay, money's a thing you need to be careful with it."
2023-06-02 09:13:06.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:13:17.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:13:23.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Welcome.
2023-06-02 09:13:27.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:13:29.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"But like it never to the money was a big deal like I told you when I went to management consulting and I was like hanging out with all these people, like the people are talking the phone possibly quite directly in the Rockefeller lineage and like this is, this was never a hot like making money having money and meeting money was never high forty like then it wouldn't be me refer you to like be careful you don't, I, it was, the message was more along the line."
2023-06-02 09:13:36.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah. Yeah. You said there was their obsession. Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:14:03.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"TruNorth, I'm curious whether you've bought about at the time or afterward is like my name is a nice thing to have but the important thing is to be careful so you don't need much."
2023-06-02 09:14:17.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"You know, like we, you know, I remember growing up in living apartment and the sense that when we bought the house, we bought the house because we had made it because we were already making enough money to cover it and therefore it was, and then we, the, the message I tried was we really live very carefully and simply and cheaply until we're able to organize things and when we bought it and we could afford it and we can join us as opposed to a trying to enjoy things and then figure out how to pay for them later or that the why that there was never assigned to me."
2023-06-02 09:14:30.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:15:00.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"The money was a scary thing that you had to access. It's like, if you have a little, you live on a little when you're fine and if you have a lot you enjoy the them, that's fine too. I, I'm curious actually how you know that."
2023-06-02 09:15:05.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, hey."
2023-06-02 09:15:08.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:15:15.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, but you'll have notify the layers there. See one, we have a first generation that makes sense. Alright, and to be really uncertain for future we're gonna stay here, go back. So saving money for that type of thing. And, and third my father was different from company. I my, my, my, my it, so, that also because it's not just me. You'll have both the parents and so you have to put that into account. But you kind of capitalize my view of the money but one of the things was once I became a doctor and surgeon here."
2023-06-02 09:15:37.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:15:41.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yes.
2023-06-02 09:15:59.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Money came whether I wanted to talk not right, I didn't pursue money."
2023-06-02 09:16:03.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Instead of a golden era for being a doctor, financially, arguably the $70 me cause the pricing told her Medicare started coming in."
2023-06-02 09:16:07.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it is, but yeah."
2023-06-02 09:16:16.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:16:17.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"We, what I left home and the 81. So the program I right to help you better billing code for Medicare. Right now. They're multiple what's up, I couldn't get up at right."
2023-06-02 09:16:28.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. Yeah, but, but you know but a lot of people got caught in it and then they will the manufacture the port to get more money from the government which was not a problem with us. And again know you just give me a famous court I came with $7 so $14 to both of us but anything more a profit right? So that's."
2023-06-02 09:16:31.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,No.
2023-06-02 09:16:45.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:16:56.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,What Rockefeller would not agree.
2023-06-02 09:17:04.0 PDT,John Prabhakar,How you doing you?
2023-06-02 09:17:04.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And he has his father the thing for the, for both good and."
2023-06-02 09:17:08.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. Yeah. But, but, so, so you don't really have a real perspective because you're caught between two words and to a perspective from the old word perspective and stuff like that's what you have several layers, but your children are different who told them are growing any of that. I'm going to confirm it. I would say, right. And, and, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:17:29.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2023-06-02 09:17:31.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, and I spoke with that in that way like, this idea money is not necessarily care but I should but it's, I, the, so the one thing I noticed is that like, things that, the cause a lot of money. Like the most of the thing for me is broken air pod or lost air pod, and like it's like, when like when we can't do that, it's still good, that'd be my point rage. What did he say? I don't know where it's like we can't afford to move things and the reality is like, okay, you know, you're probably is a thing but it's not really."
2023-06-02 09:17:53.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, okay."
2023-06-02 09:18:13.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Hey crisis you know a disaster you know. Like I remember when we went, we had contact lenses. I think contact lenses with that's integration air pod like an expensive thing that when you lose it use to people say that our fast hands are the are trying to find a contact lens and like I think that, that was a lot of money and money was not a thing that wasn't money goes to waste."
2023-06-02 09:18:27.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:18:35.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:18:47.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, that's the important, that's yeah, it's not."
2023-06-02 09:18:48.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,It wasn't a single system we're getting but it was not the way we is.
2023-06-02 09:18:52.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, it's not that particular thing but it's the fact that you're right, you have to be careful with things."
2023-06-02 09:18:53.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:18:56.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And, and, and we, and this is interesting thing that's funny cause."
2023-06-02 09:19:02.4 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"They're worried about money. Right, but I think what, what's my tools as long as I don't waste money, then I don't have to worry about money that wasn't less than I have. So, it just like, don't worry about money. But the price of not worrying about money is that has to make sure I'm not wasting it. And so that's an interesting, you know, roughly what the fact there's this thing is kind of the design rule, the computer architect is there tomorrow imperative to based the abundant resource to conserve the scarce resource, right? So in the bathroom that they would put them with a button to machine time, timeless scares."
2023-06-02 09:19:04.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:19:10.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:19:12.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:19:23.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Right.
2023-06-02 09:19:44.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,You have to do a prospecting and editing and whatever on their punch cards before they give it to the computer.
2023-06-02 09:19:44.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:19:51.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Okay.
2023-06-02 09:19:52.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Because two time was she and she was supposed to. But other than Friday you know, I type you a word like text editor and ChatGPT fills in the rest of the paragraph cause they can just waste that computer. I'm trying to figure out what I might need and then let them check and do all these things. Is it, is that, what scares the button and the thing that I've been wrestling with is like it's entirely possible my thought that my, my brain is calibrated to a certain way of dealing with money."
2023-06-02 09:19:56.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:20:28.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Right.
2023-06-02 09:20:29.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,That is Martha way my son spring needs to be calculated for him to leave his best life.
2023-06-02 09:20:34.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Okay, okay."
2023-06-02 09:20:36.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And this is the tension is that they're saying that the two by two matrix that, cause I was like, right there's things that, you know, there's things that passing on my side. There's things but I don't, I don't want to pass on and some but I do on my side and there's things that he doesn't for me and this seems that he doesn't need from me and a two, like two matrix something but I want to talk about, he doesn't care."
2023-06-02 09:20:47.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:20:53.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:20:59.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:21:06.4 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And something I don't have he does, right? There's this trade off."
2023-06-02 09:21:11.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:21:12.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Of you know, like, you know, obviously the things I do pass on that he does need and things that I don't pass on, he doesn't be but figure out what's those are, is not a science I remember. Sure if it's an art, if he just hasn't but maybe that's, that is the art. I'm gonna check, this is the thing that I want for Father's Day, right? And this is my Father's Day, it is too step back and we'll start these questions to both you intended and didn't, and, and what helped me and didn't help me. And, and in particular this will kind of come up with Rockefeller is that, like, in some ways, his father was right is that you know, his father grew up in a very hard Scrabble time and he found a way to achieve some measure of happiness."
2023-06-02 09:21:19.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:21:58.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:22:03.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And some measure of pricing for his family by embracing the reality, he found themselves."
2023-06-02 09:22:12.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And you know, I mean it in you know, is it safe to say that by most measure locker or what's the most successful magnificent reset poken terms, you know, in terms of you know, not just in terms of the, your crude economics of market color finances but in terms of being religiously up man who was incredibly charitable, who was painful to his wife and all these things like you know, and how much that was intentional or accidental, and productive or kind of productive on his father's part we can discuss but like if we, what measure about Matt is successfully told her, right? And by that metro."
2023-06-02 09:22:25.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:22:57.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, what did you say? I think it was character set it to the sidewalk intention."
2023-06-02 09:23:04.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Oh, I know."
2023-06-02 09:23:04.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,You can question it's more people but it's very intentional.
2023-06-02 09:23:08.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,I was talking about how much you thought was intentional on his father's part?
2023-06-02 09:23:12.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Oh, I don't think so, I don't think the part of a technical."
2023-06-02 09:23:14.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, so."
2023-06-02 09:23:18.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"I probably, I don't know. I, I'm just saying I didn't general like, I don't know, like certainly his father seems to intentionally. Well I don't know what his father's intentions work to be honest, right? Cause he ended up teaching."
2023-06-02 09:23:18.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Did you find that?
2023-06-02 09:23:35.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"No, I think I don't bother didn't go to church with them. It was the toilet faith and religious thing with all mother's side."
2023-06-02 09:23:39.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"So sorry. I mean in general like so, like I said my point was that Rockefeller was success."
2023-06-02 09:23:48.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:23:49.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And it's fair to say that one of the ways we measure ma'am. I was told them turnout right? But I, it, it's clear that a lot of thing that the bills that he's still senior a big deal. Hey dad! No sir he's that is bill, he's John, yeah, it's a big bill, so big deal he's really had a very big impact on Rockefeller's life. I don't know how much I'm any of it was intentional."
2023-06-02 09:24:11.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:24:14.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"While, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:24:27.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Like, was he keeping him like, we'll see, like, if he would spend a narrative like, oh, yeah, I'm messing with him but actually the switching to be sharpened is dealing with back or something like that, like, was that actually true, the temperature was he just spending a story and he secretly just enjoyed torturing his time like, I don't know if the build even though the questions."
2023-06-02 09:24:47.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Okay. Let me interrupt you there.
2023-06-02 09:24:52.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Sure.
2023-06-02 09:24:53.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"I think it all, most bothers are not like you already don't think about. Okay what the legacy, I'm gonna leave for my son. What lessons are my teaching, my son. When we were doing parenting we were just doing things and most of the time you want to do things and learn some of them maybe we told you be careful with your money or how to use your time, whatever it is but most of the time Dave, or accidental teaching moment rather than intentionally teaching moments."
2023-06-02 09:25:27.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,You know what I'm saying.
2023-06-02 09:25:27.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Can you? I noticed on the customer funding time definitely. So in terms of the most of what we do with you don't want us to be patient we default to our training. Right? And that we just do what we've seen doesn't reflect like chassis PT, we just put out an answer based on the prompts, based on our previous experience but occasionally we make choices, yeah. So what do you think are some of the more intentional things that you did as a parent?"
2023-06-02 09:25:45.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:25:50.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:25:53.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Well, yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:26:02.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Well, make sure you have the opportunity to, to learn to be involved in things. When your little be enrolled you on different things, right sports and other things later on we did."
2023-06-02 09:26:17.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:26:22.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Judah judo, a church, a Alana voice Cal, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:26:26.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, I wanna send, yeah, and then a science camps and, and things like that when you're little bit older opportunities we're not there as much as the kids have nowadays. So we exposed to took you to place in Chicago to what we saw most of them the headliners there's no regional musicals and stuff. I don't know how much that."
2023-06-02 09:26:53.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting thing I haven't thought about that but, but in terms of expensive entertainment, that's actually the only thing I really think about is this all these musicals, we found downtown Chicago cause like traveling like pricing around that conversation where I get it because they're getting relatives like we say we, I didn't feel like we did extensive week vacation until like we were in college."
2023-06-02 09:26:56.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,That'd be discussing.
2023-06-02 09:27:20.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Probably better. No, we will go to overland and stuff but, but no, I think we did go Ma fee Ernie part example I don't know if you remember this until really wasn't the Lexington, Kentucky when we went there we went and saw the mammoth case things like that, that'd be very bad we did with relatives."
2023-06-02 09:27:26.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,But then simply drive.
2023-06-02 09:27:39.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Right. But like we drove there, did they didn't, didn't, didn't, yeah. Didn't we drive there and sleep at people's houses."
2023-06-02 09:27:47.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't remember seeing them the hotel. Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:27:50.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Absolutely me, but it wasn't, but we don't wanna pay Casey and then we're interesting, let's say we're not expensive, it's."
2023-06-02 09:27:54.0 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:27:59.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"No, no, no I'm in my new and what I was trying to tell you what you said what very exposed to we gave you. I think a variety of experiences which like you know, we don't want to use one parts and stuff like that and you guys really had a good time not necessarily doing things but planning things when you got there. Okay you guys will say okay I'm gonna do this, you're gonna, I'm gonna do this like that. So some kind of organizing thing there and then you also again you cannot just say it's all me right? Because your mother's involved in lot more things than I was to. So her influence was there too. As paradigms we exposed to a lot of things. That's what gave me why the variety of experiences not just one perfect."
2023-06-02 09:28:23.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, I know."
2023-06-02 09:28:35.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:28:49.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Sports or you know, things like that."
2023-06-02 09:28:51.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Right, and that was, so, so that was a conscious choice you made and the parents came to try to real or they send them to her consciously aware that you were doing and, and you tried to do more of what expose the message me experiences."
2023-06-02 09:29:00.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:29:03.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, and then like, I mean some of this, you guys like a."
2023-06-02 09:29:05.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:29:10.2 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Rolling into the library when you three years or something like that, because you were, I'd have to that and you picked it up and run with it. And so things like that. So but, but other things you would have caught for mainly by watching how we spend our money or how we invested or money or, or we manage the money and things like that you know the little bit. I'm trying to do that with Rohan and and deliver the investment thing. I think I may have the same talk with you about what a strong. Something like that when you're at one point when you are still a."
2023-06-02 09:29:40.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:29:46.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:29:48.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:29:48.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"So, going back to Rockefeller, where are you now? Is he into idle yet?"
2023-06-02 09:29:55.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"No, the last sentence of the chapter is that he makes, you know, tens of thousands of dollars which is a pretty good profit, but this is all just dealing with commodity and he has no idea that there's something happening in Pennsylvania that's gonna change his life and change the courier to do like one sentence about it at the, at the end of the chapter that oil is going to happen so it's all just about the mm-hmm."
2023-06-02 09:30:14.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Pricey surprising to me. Yeah, the surprise I was in a Ohio."
2023-06-02 09:30:26.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"As long as possible, yeah, actually, it's actually Pennsylvania was, yeah. Yeah, where it was but right next door."
2023-06-02 09:30:27.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,I Philly. Okay. If he was in Cleveland at the time it wasn't Cleveland.
2023-06-02 09:30:35.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, you're, you always want to discover the Pennsylvania cause I was associated with Texas but that was much later. The other thing Martha and that was talking about Rockefeller, you hear about the bigger picture and it was, it was pricing to realize this was before the automobile, so wasn't petroleum for, for Tennessee for waiting."
2023-06-02 09:30:41.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Okay. Well my, my right."
2023-06-02 09:30:55.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"So, that's why they're doing it away cause they were, they didn't know what to do with petroleum. Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:31:01.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, it was a whole different world and what's interesting is and this is actually probably another fascinating point is that in any other circumstance with this background, he would have been a very sharp businessman but because he was a very smart business plan and he was in the right place at the right time. He made a killing during the civil war, rather than getting killed, I suppose. And then what happens he has the right combination of, of and we were just talking about this, I would say."
2023-06-02 09:31:24.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,No.
2023-06-02 09:31:37.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Of strength and weaknesses that making the perfect person to create the first multinational corporation and you.
2023-06-02 09:31:45.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. See yeah, the interesting thing is it was not in the drilling of oil that he made the money defining avoid and it was interesting that he found a guy who first invented refine and he has sell for the refining guy which was not being done most places. So he was like a pioneer. There, it wasn't the right place somewhere. He was right place at the right time for the right people."
2023-06-02 09:31:52.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2023-06-02 09:31:55.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And the merchandise. See my bad. Yeah, there'll be home."
2023-06-02 09:32:02.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, be."
2023-06-02 09:32:06.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright. So, what was it listen."
2023-06-02 09:32:10.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"But it wasn't the right time with the right role and the right relationships, and I think that's an interesting."
2023-06-02 09:32:15.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, bless you too."
2023-06-02 09:32:20.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, I wouldn't be the right what is the question? I don't know if it's the same only ponder you have the opposite. Yeah, he's somebody me an aptitude for you know caring about things and in particular interesting we click camera I just see that every single license there's a, there's the most interesting things in life or tensions and every tension involves a off, another great Andy Stanley quote is what is this challenge a tension that needs to be managed versus a problem to be solved."
2023-06-02 09:32:25.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Our aptitude maybe.
2023-06-02 09:32:29.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, up to two."
2023-06-02 09:32:48.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:32:55.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:32:57.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright, and your problems can be solved and they're done potentially just have to be managed and you have to make a trade off and Rockefeller consistently even in this chapter. It's like, okay, he would rather spend an hour, you know, try to figure out where the last penny was off in the account and the main point, he's like, he wasn't greedy, he was just obsessive and like if the customer overpaying by a penny he was determined to make sure they gave him 1p back. Great. He just wanted to me that speak to and I have this I called the."
2023-06-02 09:33:03.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:33:17.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:33:26.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Right.
2023-06-02 09:33:33.6 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"The, the digital obsession like having like my job. No, I'm actually getting a bunch of coding and I really would say you know and what's funny is that you know, there's a danger that this is too easy because my real job is actually being to get them to make the decision to drive the products forward and dealing with simple digital obstruction is much less both labor and there's some cooking for emotional when you're trying to find the bug. But you know, it's not nearly the level of complexity of dealing with human being and I can't help it wonder. Okay, hold on a pause for a second."
2023-06-02 09:33:41.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Oh, okay."
2023-06-02 09:33:56.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:34:03.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:34:07.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:34:46.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Hello.
2023-06-02 09:34:47.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah go ahead. I'll be finished. I have something to tell you. Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:34:48.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, sorry my wife called me. There's okay, yeah just real quick is that is that is that in some ways retreating to digital abstractions. Like money or software is a way of a voice to me. At least it can be hey. Way to escape emotional burden. And so I have to really been thinking about how I need to I wonder like if it's a good, a captive response but it's a trade off and the fact that he was able to make the trade off and was willing to make that train up is clearly one reason she was supposed to Tesco he focused on the money, he focused on the outcome."
2023-06-02 09:35:10.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Oh, okay. Yeah, okay."
2023-06-02 09:35:27.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:35:30.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"And that's super power and they, them to become what he did and my thesis is that was also. It was just the course of his spring it was also the source of what does detractors call evil?"
2023-06-02 09:35:30.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:35:35.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:35:45.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. Okay, now it comes to some, some story. I saw some story. Oh, you need to go."
2023-06-02 09:35:47.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Anyway, I'll let you go and then I'll probably wrap up."
2023-06-02 09:35:54.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"I need to go like five minutes, or these pause to take care of something but you can keep going."
2023-06-02 09:35:54.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,Good morning.
2023-06-02 09:35:57.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Okay. Okay. So no, I might have somebody coming for launch to, okay, you may not know this aspect of that. Do you still balance your checkbook?"
2023-06-02 09:36:08.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"No, not anymore. I didn't religiously until I got married. Yeah."
2023-06-02 09:36:09.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Okay, alright, so that's what I was gonna tell you."
2023-06-02 09:36:13.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Okay, so when I started practice $74 K. Two and his brother came over play tennis with us here, Rochelle and he came to the office every showing them the office around. I showed them that my checkbook and he said, he said do you have to check. Okay, so they, do you said that's good because he said you put this off one penny that means it's totally off not just one pending. There's something wrong with the whole thing, he was an accountant. He was the CFO of the whole hotel chamber flooding the carpet."
2023-06-02 09:36:48.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:36:54.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"In, yeah, three you manage three hotels there give a CFO and that was interesting. So I wrote all my check. I think you probably know for my practice. I wrote all the checks hi balance to my get book there and at home okay, which is fine but for some reason I don't do that now."
2023-06-02 09:36:55.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Right.
2023-06-02 09:37:05.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:37:15.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:37:20.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah. I imagine frankly the, I mean, I think what happened for me frankly was that we'll also overtime as banks got more automated, right? The likelihood of finding and every month you'd find something wrong, you know there wasn't clearing or whatever and everything was check and so all the paper and how long it takes to clear it was very complicated now that it's all credit cards and transactions. The only digital the value you get by spending that time is much lower."
2023-06-02 09:37:23.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,Maybe the culture is different.
2023-06-02 09:37:27.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Oh, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:37:34.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:37:39.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:37:50.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Probably but I didn't do it consciously slipped into it unconsciously and I just, I just to check my portfolio portfolios and I picked up with you. I told you last time that I picked up a lot of things from that. So going back to and then Rockefeller, I think some of it you know, he will talk about it next week probably because that'll be interesting how we dealt with a railroad."
2023-06-02 09:37:54.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:38:24.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"And so for this time, so he's just now I appreciate the eighteen or nineteen is branching out on his own, starting his own partnership and right."
2023-06-02 09:38:37.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Putting, he's been, he's been working from work for other people before that, and then he was working, then he was wondering it's own business but then you sort of become like a magnet in his own people talk about them as a rich man at 8:21 and calling Mr. Rockefeller by the end of the chat."
2023-06-02 09:38:41.7 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No harness on, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:38:55.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Oh, alrighty. Oh, then this chapter, but he hasn't gotten into Eileen. He hasn't gotten dial yet."
2023-06-02 09:38:57.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, they're calling you. Mr. Rockefeller. Yeah, cause it, how's it going? Oh, he's locally if he's not nationally but you know, as a matter the town he's considered one of the wealthy people."
2023-06-02 09:39:14.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, and the pricing thing is 2021 you wouldn't do it just different now than it was then but, and so obviously he didn't. Did you go to college?"
2023-06-02 09:39:16.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:39:20.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,So.
2023-06-02 09:39:24.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"No, he just worked."
2023-06-02 09:39:27.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah. So it was basically apprenticeship."
2023-06-02 09:39:29.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"I think he was starting. I think there was actually when we talk with the previous, after where, he had to leave school to support the family."
2023-06-02 09:39:36.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, and he worked as a clerk, right? And but it was like an apprentice."
2023-06-02 09:39:41.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm like your father.
2023-06-02 09:39:47.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Yeah.
2023-06-02 09:39:48.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Apprenticeship and realize that you fell in love with the numbers with what he was doing, right?"
2023-06-02 09:39:53.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah. Yes. If you've been born today, he will probably follow up with software the same way."
2023-06-02 09:39:59.9 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, he may have been a Bill Gates. He may have been Steve jobs, who knows."
2023-06-02 09:40:03.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Monica argue that. They're both very much in the mall. We talked about them he was like, found something, father, right? Yeah."
2023-06-02 09:40:09.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Oh, rocky."
2023-06-02 09:40:13.1 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:40:13.5 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Well, I said, wrap up and take care of stuff at home. But interesting I think this is but, yeah, the termination is called unconscious intent. Because that's the thing that is a wrestling with in terms of you know, what is it, what is the, what is the patrimony. There'll be pass on and whether it's intentional or useful. And I think it's like, it's always useful in some context but not useful in other. And it's a hard thing to shift modes and roll the patrimony like you know, having to do the good thing, most of the time and kind of problematic that other time and the word that comes up as adaptive person now adopted."
2023-06-02 09:40:18.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, we stopped at this point."
2023-06-02 09:40:26.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yup, good one. Okay."
2023-06-02 09:40:33.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah."
2023-06-02 09:40:47.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:40:59.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"That came up in my, the podcast that it was somebody else is like, for things, like, work really well now but then they don't fit in the context changes and that's the problem."
2023-06-02 09:41:09.5 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Yeah, but I remember any over the last word here from me is I'm going to be spent a lot of time in the car discussing a lot of topic. You know. Those were intentional times like you know, maybe the arrange marriages, maybe from we came back from the a customer to send the feed talking about faith matters. Like a, a roller music and church and all those things and what our feelings where our values were."
2023-06-02 09:41:18.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:41:35.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Mm-hmm.
2023-06-02 09:41:47.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"Again, what you guys are, some of them are totally opposed, right? Remember those times you spent on the car or even politics. Yeah."
2023-06-02 09:41:50.7 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, well."
2023-06-02 09:41:57.3 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Alright, okay, thank you father."
2023-06-02 09:41:59.3 PDT,John Prabhakar,"So like you said, even though you said unconscious intent with like the balance both of them. Yeah, okay, we'll continue next week. Okay man. I love you. Okay, bye bye bye."
2023-06-02 09:42:05.1 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,"Okay, alright, thanks that. Bye."
2023-06-02 09:42:09.9 PDT,Ernest Prabhakar,Let me do that. Bye-bye.